MYTH: Soy Gives You Boobs

Emily: 0:01

Hey nice.

Vanessa: 0:02

Hey, ma'am wait. I just noticed that you named this episode episode, So I gives you boobs with a Z.

Emily: 0:18

it just felt like the right thing to do.

Vanessa: 0:21

Yeah, that's really funny. So, anyway, welcome back. we haven't recorded in a long time. It feels slow.

Emily: 0:28

No. I mean, it's literally been like over a month, probably since both you and I got on here and recorded one of our chats. We haven't stopped actually talking, but we stopped talking and recording it. That's for sure. We kind of stopped actually talking to, we were both so busy.

Vanessa: 0:44

Yeah, We were both traveling a lot and just July has been really crazy. The summer has been crazy in general. But fun. And now we're back at it.

Emily: 0:53

Yeah, I feel like I've been all over and I'm really happy to finally just be like sitting in my apartment and relaxing and enjoying whatever Portland has to offer me for the next part of summer, because I can not go to that post COVID crowded airport again.

Vanessa: 1:08

Yeah, truly. And I think our flight's getting jacked up again.

Emily: 1:12

Yeah. Now it's like really expensive, used to be able to get some great deals. And now the whole thing's ruined.

Vanessa: 1:18

Yeah, that's

Emily: 1:19

But good. I'm glad that more people can get out.

Vanessa: 1:22

yeah, it is good, but you know what? Not quite as annoying as the misconceptions.

Emily: 1:29

No, not nearly as annoying as that, especially when we talk about boobs and specifically man boobs, which like this, just the worst term ever, but we're going to really get into that topic.

Vanessa: 1:43

So if you're a man out there or a woman, and you think that soy is going to give you bigger boobs stay tuned for this episode.

Emily: 1:51

Yeah, we're going to talk about it in depth.

Vanessa: 1:56

Okay. Let's get into it.

Emily: 2:07

Welcome to this week's episode of wellness myths, where we're going to talk all about soy and soy products is a really big umbrella of different foods. Soy beans come in many different variations. So there's an unfermented variety and a fermented variety. Unfermented soy products include at a mommy. Soy milk and soy nuts. And then the fermented soy products include me. So 10 bay, NATO and soy sauce, and right off the bat, which I know best is going to remember this from school soy sauce, doesn't provide the same benefits that we're talking about when it comes to soy, because it's just a trace amount. You don't have to like drink a lot of soy sauce to see the effect. And nobody really wants to do that. But it's like right when we first learned about soy, do you remember this Vanessa? Them telling us like soy sauce. Oh my God. It was like such a big thing that I remember from being like soy sauce. It's soy, but it's not going to give you all these benefits. Like don't just start guzzling it with every meal for like no reason.

Vanessa: 3:09

Disappointing though, like don't you wish that you could just be eating sushi and dunking those rolls and soy being like, Yeah,

Emily: 3:17

here we are. Yeah, no, unfortunately not. And soy obviously is a great source of protein for people following a plant-based diet in any form, whether that's vegetarian, vegan, et cetera, but it can be a really great source of protein for everybody. So I can have a positive effect on cholesterol in a way that red meat can kind of do the opposite. So soy is a really great thing to include in your diet, whether you are a meat eater or a plant-based eater. And I feel like that's kind of a common misconception because. A lot of people that eat meat are like, oh, that's not for me. Like soy products are like for people who need to get their protein from there, and that's not necessary in mind.

Vanessa: 3:55

Yeah, for sure. And I think that's something too. So, when we think about tofu, especially me eaters are like you tofu. It's disgusting. So when Emily and I lived together in college she would always be making like tofu, scrambles and stuff. And I remember, do you remember this, Emily? I remember saying to you, I like pretty much everything. The only thing I don't like is tofu. I was like,

Emily: 4:20

Oh, I don't

Vanessa: 4:20

to like put it. Yeah. It was like, my mom used to like put it in our little Sanya and

Emily: 4:24

Oh, no. Now I remember.

Vanessa: 4:26

and shit. And I'd always be like, so mad about it.

Emily: 4:33

That's so funny. I do remember that now that that was really bold of her.

Vanessa: 4:37

Yeah. And I think that, I mean, I think it was actually still pretty good, but like I just knew it was tofu and I just like thought I don't like tofu. And so I remember saying it to Emily one morning, particularly. I was like, yeah, I like everything, but I can't stand. Totally. And she was like, oh, okay, well I'm like, why don't you just like, try some of my tofu scramble? And I was like, okay. You know, I guess I will. And then I was like, dang, this is actually really good. And then it, it kinda hit me with Emily's guidance. Is that like, yeah. Plain tofu. Kind of gross, but so is playing me like you marinate and pleasing everything. So like there's this misconception that eating tofu is like someone just like slaps down this raw piece of like white block toe food and is like, okay, bone Appetit. And it's like, no, that's not how we eat anything.

Emily: 5:42

Yeah, it's so true. Like even when I stopped eating me, I was like, oh, I'm just missing like the flavors and the sauces and all of that. It's not like, you know, Chicken is like this amazing delicacy. Like you're, you're really just like doctoring it up however you want. And there's so many different ways to prepare it. Like you said, we can marinate it, we can fry it, we can bake it. We can saute it with garlic. Like there's just all these different kind of ways to prepare it and you can blend it. It can be used in some desserts. Like I just know of people are out there right now, like cringing about that thought. I really encourage you to look deeper into it because it can be a really good way to add soy into your diet.

Vanessa: 6:24

Yeah, for sure. So if you are someone out there you're a hardliner thinking you don't like tofu. Just give it a try and remember that everything can be good when you cook it the right way. And I truly believe that.

Emily: 6:38

Yeah, so true. You can DM us. I'll give you a good tofu recipe. Yeah. You'll be well on your way. And if you're like, oh, I really do hate tofu. You've got Tampa and Tampa is basically the fermented version of tofu and has a little more trace nutrients. It has a little more protein and fiber in it. And it can be cooked pretty similarly. Usually want to steam 10 bit in order to kind of like open it up and make it more susceptible. To the flavoring that you're giving it whether you're marinating it or sauting it, et cetera. And Tempe is also a really good source of soy and can be a great addition to your diet. And it has a little bit of a different texture than tofu. So if that's kind of, what's holding you up, then you can definitely try temping.

Vanessa: 7:26

Yeah. And so we've talked a little bit about why we like soy as like a overview, but. I think we should talk a little bit, why soy gets a bad rap or why we wanted to talk about it today? Cause there are so many myths surrounding soy. I feel like some people see soy and they immediately think it's bad. And I know there's a lot of marketing now too. That's like soy free. And I feel like once people start seeing those kinds of labels, then they automatically assume that thing must be bad.

Emily: 8:01

Yeah. And it's kind of funny that we're doing this so close to the gluten episode, because it's just like, you know, these labels can maybe start out as a. Alert to people that, and alert to people that actually have sensitivities to these products, but then everybody kind of reads into them. I mean, so it is one of the top eight allergens. So you could have an allergy if soy doesn't agree with you or you develop hives when you eat it or something. You're gonna have to see an allergist for that, but yeah, there's definitely a lot of misinformation about.

Vanessa: 8:34

So I think like Emily said, it's important to think about, you know, when you're looking at studies that are one food in particular they're kind of hard to do because people tolerate things differently, right? Like people might have an allergy. People might have an intolerance, so not everyone is going to. You know, reap the same rewards from soy, if their body isn't tolerating as well. But generally soy is a healthy food and something that people should try to include in their diets, but people I think are afraid of it. So it's kind of gotten a bad rap over the years. So, I know you have a couple things you wanted to talk about as far as how soy got such a bad.

Emily: 9:20

Yeah, you could catch me before this episode Googling like soy bad reputation. Why I really like going down this like deep path of like, okay, what even started happening because all the vegans will kind of have you believe it's because of the meat industry being like nervous about so, and I don't think there's like no truth in that or anything. But. You know, there's some specific points where we were kind of led down this misinformation path with soy. And there's kind of two rumors, right? We'll talk about the man boobs in a moment. But there's also some rumors about soy increasing the risk of breast cancer. And I know that NASA is going to have some stuff to say about hormones and soy, but kind of as an overview, the reason why this happened is because they did a study in mice and soy increased estrogen levels and increased breast cancer risk in mice. And so, you know, if you know science volume, you're like, okay, yeah, Basically warrants, further research, but we can't draw a conclusion from a study that they did in mice. It's just not, it doesn't make any sense. We don't do that. We use it as kind of like a little guide and oh, maybe we should test this out. But when we tested out in humans, the ISO flavonoids and soy are actually able to block the more potent natural estrogen produced by the body and can balance levels and decrease your risk for cancer. And these can be for breast cancers alongside prostate cancers and GI cancers. So there was kind of like some early research that was a little bit confusing. And so, you know, media outlets and different people can really glom onto that and be like, oh my God, okay. Like now here's this, you know, one study and I'm just going to take these results and run with them when really it warranted further research. And wasn't meant to be like, so sensationalized.

Vanessa: 11:04

Yeah, for sure. And I think that even like a more simple way to explain that what's going on with the. Sturgeons and soy is. Basically. So like Emily said, it's out competing, like our stronger estrogens. So what's happening is it's mimicking the estrogen binding to that site, but it's not turning it on. So it's blocking the estrogen from turning on at binding sites. So that increases your body's ability to be able to metabolize stronger estrogens. And it can protect you against an estrogen excess.

Emily: 11:43

Yeah. And I think when people hear like, phytoestrogen like, we're in this like weird space also in nutrition with like purity culture, sort of we're being like, oh, I don't need any fake estrogen in my body. You know? And it's like, okay, that's not what this is. It's just a plant-based source that mimics, like you said, in the body.

Vanessa: 12:03

Right. Exactly. So, you know, to go along with thinking of it like that, if you're someone who is suffering from PMs or heavy periods including more soy in your diet could be what's really benefit.

Emily: 12:19

Yeah, definitely.

Vanessa: 12:22

Okay, let's talk about man boobs a little bit.

Emily: 12:26

Basically everybody, this just like chomping at the bit to talk about man boobs. Like everybody

Vanessa: 12:32

talk about man boobs and you know what, I'm really upset. I need to apologize to our listeners for a moment because there was a study that I looked at a couple years ago and it looked at how much soy a man had to consume. To have like any effects hormonal effects and it was something like 10 gallons of soy milk or something. It was a

Emily: 12:57

Oh, my God. I'm, I'm literally about to talk about that

Vanessa: 13:01

Did you find that study? I couldn't find it.

Emily: 13:04

So it was like, basically, What I've found is, so there's been a lot of fear-mongering that soy breeds, breast tissue enlargement, specifically in males. You know, females will be thinking about it too. I think we've kind of mentioned this before. Like if we found a way to enlarge your breast, As a female identifying person, like we would all really know about it. Like everybody would know it would be something people did, like plastic surgeons would totally lose every breast augmentation job they have to do for enlargement. Like if we had a natural way to do this, it would be established.

Vanessa: 13:41

Literally every influencer would be like Downing a bunch of soy products every day.

Emily: 13:47

Exactly. So that's just kind of like one thing you can. Think about first. So there's been some controversial research done and these men had to eat four blocks of tofu a day, every day to have any sort of feminizing effect,

Vanessa: 14:06

That literally makes me want to puke. Like I like tofu. That's a lot of tea. I feel like I couldn't even. I feel like that would like be too many calories for me to consume even like, just that alone.

Emily: 14:22

And I mean, sometimes like if tofu is the main portion of our meal, my partner and I will eat like one block to the two of us, if we're like super hungry and like, it's the main portion of a meal, but like, we're not doing that every day. And that's half a block, you know? And that's like, I feel like, oh wow. I like ate a lot of tofu. Right. So that's like people aren't doing that. And if you are, then I'm more concerned about like the variety in your diet than anything. But, you know, let's just say four blocks of tofu a day. That's how much it's going to take. And then one block of tofu per day, worth of soy did not have any effect on sperm, quality or any decrease in testosterone. So that's one block a day, which most people are not having to every single day, like, especially in the Western world.

Vanessa: 15:10

Right.

Emily: 15:11

And you know, we see like,

Vanessa: 15:14

I mean, yeah, most people aren't having one block every day and most people aren't eating even a full block when they are eating it.

Emily: 15:23

Right. Like, it would be like pretty bizarre to eat an entire block of tofu in one city. It really

Vanessa: 15:28

that'd be a lot of food unless you're just like solely eating that and you have no sides.

Emily: 15:35

Yeah.

Vanessa: 15:35

No side situation,

Emily: 15:37

Yeah, no sides, just a full block of tofu. And usually you're eating it with other foods, right? Like if you make a tofu salad or something, you put like Mayo and like, you know, like kinda like an egg salad type of thing.

Vanessa: 15:50

I'm literally imagining these men like sitting at the table with like a fork and a knife and just like a raw block of tone, just like powering through four blocks of tofu every day. Oh my gosh.

Emily: 16:06

And, and the worst part is like, you know, this research is done and society is like, oh my God, look, soy has this impact on, you know, men's hormones when it's just not true. Like, even if this is true at such a large rate, You know, this isn't applicable to general life and general society, you know, it's like maybe something to know about, but even if you one block a day, you're still fine. So what's the big deal. If you eat like, you know, 10 pounds of broccoli everyday. You'll be so ill. Like I think we've talked about Matt eating too much kale on this podcast, like eight times already. You know, there's an, there's an upper limit folks for everything. And so four blocks, there you go. That's what it is. So as long as you don't eat four blocks, you're good.

Vanessa: 16:54

Yeah, it makes me think of even like, I feel like a good. comparison comparison would be like olive oil. Like olive oil is generally regarded as a healthy food that you just like eat a little bit of daily. But if it was like, they did some study where someone was guzzling down a whole bottle. Olive oil every day, like, okay. We're probably going to see some different results there versus having a tablespoon or two.

Emily: 17:23

okay. Exactly. And usually it has to be like a lot, right. It's not like you have to worry about the amounts and that wouldn't just come up in your life. And then there was a big systematic review, which is basically just a grouping of all the research that's been done. And that was conducted in 2010. And it very firmly states, there's no research to support the idea that soy can grow breast tissue among male or female people. And I think that like another thing too, that really affects this is toxic masculinity and this idea that like men have to be eating meat and animal products and hunting, like these are just kind of like typical like masculine things in our society. And that men need me to be like really strong and have big muscles and blah, blah, blah. And so I think that's kind of like another thing that makes our culture really right. For the picking with misinformation about soy, when it comes to men specifically,

Vanessa: 18:20

Yeah, for sure. And I think related to that, even people knowing that soy contains phytoestrogen, even if they don't know what that word means, they know people generally recognize estrogen and they're recognizing that as a female hormone. So they're like I'm not sure.

Emily: 18:41

Yeah. And like the last thing, any leg, the man wants is like more of a female hormone because we've just kind of expressed how like absolutely awful it would be if you were like the manliest man. It's just so painful. I mean, it's, it's so painful.

Vanessa: 18:58

Yeah, In summary, you are not going to get man boobs from eating soy. If you do, you can call us up. I'm willing to die on that.

Emily: 19:09

Yeah, very much so. And you're, you're not going to get any breast tissue enlargement across the sexes with soy intake. No matter how you identify what you.

Vanessa: 19:21

Right. Even if you want to, even if you. want to, if you are someone who's wanting bigger breasts I still want you to eat soy if you tolerate it. And you like it for the health benefits, but. It's not going to help with the chest enhancement,

Emily: 19:39

And I would be worried again about variety in your diet. And that's really what the core issue is. Whenever we're kind of overdoing something in particular. The best thing you can do is eat different foods. So if you're just eating soy, I would encourage you to look into beans or other kinds of plant protein sources.

Vanessa: 19:58

I also wanted to bring up another study about soy and gut health. So there's a study done in September of 2020 and the soy isoflavones. So that is just the variety. Phytoestrogen that is in the soil that I still flat bones. So they found that they influenced several key aspects of GI health, including improving Bazell intestinal, secretion, alleviating inflammation limiting intestinal damage improving the epithelial barrier function and that epithelial barrier. The spot where we see issues like with people who have gluten intolerance issues. So they actually found that soy has a ton of benefits for the gut as well.

Emily: 20:45

That's so exciting to hear. And I think about it all the time, too, with any plant-based protein in general, whether it's soy or not, you're getting, you know, five. Along with that, you know, there's not a ton of fiber and tofu, but like, if we look at other at like edamame or other plant-based soy proteins, it can be really beneficial to the gut to include fiber. And what better way to do that then also when we're getting protein at the same time.

Vanessa: 21:12

Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, it's I guess in going back to that and remembering, yeah. Some people are soy-free and that has to do with them processing soy individually, and that's not an across the board recommendation. I know that something I've come across with, I don't know if you've heard this a lot too, Emily, but people I'm having issues with soy just because it tends to be a more. Sprayed crop with pesticides and things like that. And so it can be, I guess, demonized as maybe something that could cause auto-immune triggers. Have you ever had someone come at you with.

Emily: 21:54

No, I have not personally, but I have heard about this, that it is a more heavily sprayed product,

Vanessa: 22:03

So if you are someone who is concerned with that, it's just good to remember that, you know, the problems there are not with soy itself. It's maybe with our farming. This is related to soy or I, and I don't even want to, I kind of feel bad saying soy across the board because not all of it is going to be the same, obviously there's options. You can buy organic and things like that to avoid that. If you are worried about it And again, you know, it's thought that it can cause some immune triggers for some people for that reason, but that's not necessarily happening to everyone either. So I don't think that's something we should necessarily fear-mongering.

Emily: 22:47

Yeah, definitely. And it reminds me of what we talked about just a few minutes ago with the amount of soy that you need to consume for it to be a problem. And that can be kind of true. Also, you can support organic farming for a large array of reasons. But you know, when it comes down to pesticides, there are limits for this. And you know, for you personally, that limit might be really high and it might be okay for you to have something that's been more sprayed. Then, you know, another person who's maybe going through. You know, some sort of environmental toxic load or something like that and can tolerate less. And you know, I'm talking about serious things like, you know, mold intoxication or something like

Vanessa: 23:28

Uh,

Emily: 23:28

You know, so just kind of being reasonable with all of that stuff and not getting too caught up in like, you know, Being afraid of different produces, because they're going to poison you with pesticides. It's still really important to your produce, even if you're not buying organic, which most people aren't slash can't afford slash don't have available.

Vanessa: 23:47

And I would say with soy, it's the same thing that I would say with fruits and veggies. I do think soy is something that everyone should be consuming in their diet. Just like, I think fruits and veggies or something everyone should be consuming in their diet. And I say this to everyone. If you're someone that has the buying power to buy organic, that's great. If you're not, then I would rather, you. By the conventional and eat it than not get it at all.

Emily: 24:16

Absolutely. I think that's such an important distinction and we could like have a whole episode about pesticides and organic food.

Vanessa: 24:23

should.

Emily: 24:24

yeah, genuinely we really should, but I think that like, You know, the, the baseline is that any fruits and vegetables are so much more important than what they've been sprayed with or what they haven't been sprayed with. So

Vanessa: 24:38

Yeah, absolutely.

Emily: 24:39

lose your mind about that's for sure.

Vanessa: 24:41

So I know this is kind of a pivot, but I want to make sure. that we talk about milks before we run out of time.

Emily: 24:48

Oh, yes.

Vanessa: 24:50

we wanted to discuss milk alternatives and soy milk being one of those, because I think this is a huge misconception in general is about the health of milk alternatives. So we want to kind of guide you to, of course, you know, drink whatever milk alternative you like. But we want you to have the knowledge of what's going on nutrition.

Emily: 25:15

Yes, this is like already giving me yogurt vibes where like, just want you to have the information so that you can make a choice because I'm getting really upset watching everyone choose almond milk and think that's. Them taking the healthy way out and like choking it down if they don't even like it, because all my milk has like next to no nutrition compared to something like soy milk, which has a lot less of a sexy reputation than almond milk does. Almond milks can have like two grams of protein per serving. Whereas soy usually has eight, which is really similar to a dairy milk constitution of prep.

Vanessa: 25:57

Yeah. and it's going to have calcium as well. I mean, basically almond milk as well. it's fine. If you like that. I always have all my milk in my fridge because I like to use it in cooking and things, but I know that I'm not getting a lot from it nutritionally, as long as you know that it's fine, but just know that don't be like drinking it, thinking you're doing something great for your body. Not that you're doing something bad, but you're not adding a lot of new tricks.

Emily: 26:24

Right. And it can be really important. Like, especially if you're not someone, I mean, I don't know. Most millennials are not drinking like a glass of milk every day, like cows mill. A lot of them are still eating dairy, so, okay. You're going to get your calcium, your vitamin D through that, but it's really important if you're not eating those foods to still include some sort of plant-based dairy in your diet because you still need that calcium and that protein boost could be really important for you to. A lot of times too, like with coffees, you know, if you have a latte and you feel like really jittery after try a soy milk instead of a almond milk, and it has a lot more nutrition in it and it can kind of help slow absorption and kind of curb that jittery.

Vanessa: 27:06

Yeah. And the soy milk too, would be even better than I know a lot of people, I like old milk too. And my lattes and things like that, just for the taste. Cause it's like a little bit creamier. But again, if you're looking for more of like, oh, I want to add protein, I want to decrease the spike. I mean, with the oat milk, you're adding more carb, which is fine. But it's not necessarily going to help with. Feeling less shittery where the soy milk is going to be more protein and less carb.

Emily: 27:37

Yeah. I mean, I think pretty much like every bitch loves and oat milk, like it's just it's there. I think that's kind of on its way out a little bit

Vanessa: 27:45

you think so? It's so creamy and good though.

Emily: 27:48

People love it. I I'm always, I'm been a soil girl forever, but mostly like, I make it mostly from a nutrition perspective. That's really how I make that choice. I mean, I like it. I think it's like thicker and it tastes better than like, obviously all men are like rice milk. God forbid like crossing myself right now. Cause I'm like, we can't even talk about rice milk. Oh. But, you know, it's also really important to mention too. This is kind of random, but the dairy milks are fortified with vitamin D the same way that the non-dairy milks are. Some people don't know that, but yeah. So you basically, like, you just want to make sure that when you're picking a plant-based milk and even a soy milk, that it has all of those items supplemented in them. And it has a good source of calcium, like 20% or more.

Vanessa: 28:33

from normally what I'll tell people is the two things like we mentioned that you're going to look for is calcium and protein. So this is from a nutrition standpoint in your milk alternatives. We want it to have a. 300 milligrams of calcium and around seven to eight grams of protein would be like a really nice nutrition profile.

Emily: 28:57

Definitely. And you know, for it, it's, it just goes to show it individualize. Everything is if you're someone who eats like a ton of protein and you know, let's say you have like a protein shake every single day after your workout, that has like 30 grams. Yeah. Then maybe you particularly have a little more leeway in your choices. But this is just like a generalized recommendation, which you barely ever get from us. So take it and be happy.

Vanessa: 29:21

really though. I also think the reaction I get from a lot of people when they try soy milk for the first time is, oh, wow. It's pretty good. Like, I feel like a lot of people expect it not be good. I don't know if it's just like a negative connotation with soy products in general.

Emily: 29:42

Yeah, I think it's definitely like the lesser option and it's been around a really long time. So I think like, and it also just, hasn't had the marketing campaign, that almond milk didn't come in, like the really cute little bottles, like the Califia farms almond milk. I was like loving the first three years I was vegan purely due to marketing and a nice looking bottle. But so I just doesn't really get quite the same hype. So we're just here, hyping it up, hoping for the best. Please drink it.

Vanessa: 30:13

Yeah. And I think that's important to remember too, if you want to try soy, you know, for the nutrition benefits and you try try different brands too. I mean, you might find some brands that you like more than others pay attention to whether it's sweetened or not. For me, I hate like when things are sweetened, I mean, I liked dirt smoothie, so

Emily: 30:35

Yeah, you literally eat like the grossest stuff. So like,

Vanessa: 30:40

like I do not like things super sweet unless I'm actually having a dessert. So um, pay attention to that kind of stuff, depending on your preferences. Cause it can make a big difference whether you like, it or not.

Emily: 30:54

Yeah. And cooking with it too. Like we've all been there. We've accidentally gotten vanilla soy milk and you're making like a sauce with it or something. And then you're like, oh, something not right happened. I don't want to be. Hearing y'all out there blaming soy. I want you to take full responsibility yourself and know that you accidentally picked vanilla soy milk off the shelf. So try your soy. Tell us what you like. Tell us what you hate. I want to hear everything about everyone's new experiences with soy.

Vanessa: 31:24

This reminds me of this is sort of off topic, but in paying attention in the grocery store. So we all know I've been really into seaweed lately. And I was grabbing my seaweed from trader Joe's and I accidentally grabbed the wasabi ones. And I'm mad about this for a couple of reasons. I like wasabi, but the wasabi on these is like kind of sweet and we we've already established

Emily: 31:52

that. Can't have that.

Vanessa: 31:54

Like, I'm a salty girl, but I don't want it to be sweet. And it's kind of sweet and I'm like, why is a sweet and second, it just makes me so mad, but you know what? I'm still choking them down because I love seaweed.

Emily: 32:09

that don't let that be you with your vanilla soy milk. That's the moral of that story.

Vanessa: 32:15

Yeah, honestly, maybe we should just end right there.

Emily: 32:18

Yeah, really. That's all you need to do unless you want to have vanilla soy milk as just like a snack. That's fine. And just drink it for your enjoyment, but don't try to cook with it.

Vanessa: 32:28

Yeah, exactly. So soy is great for you. Try to include it in your diet. Think tofu miso at a Miami Tampa bay. What am I missing?

Emily: 32:40

I think that's pretty much it.

Vanessa: 32:43

Try to include those things regularly. Don't worry about growing man boobs and reap the health benefits.

Emily: 32:50

Enjoy your soy.